Electric vehicles/Fossil fuel powered: Difference between revisions

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'''Yes.'''
'''Yes.'''


The carbon emissions are '''almost exactly the same''' for electricity generated by
The carbon emissions are '''about the same''' as gas cars, if the electricity is generated by
* coal power plants
* coal power plants
* ''simple'' natural gas power plants
* ''simple'' natural gas power plants


For ''advanced'' natural gas power plants, which are more efficient, best-case carbon emissions are still more than '''half''' of what they'd be from driving a gas car.
For ''advanced'' natural gas power plants, which are more efficient, best-case carbon emissions are about '''half''' of what they'd be from driving a gas car.


==Long answer==
==Long answer==
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What is the environmental impact of lithium batteries? - Changeit ...</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
What is the environmental impact of lithium batteries? - Changeit ...</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
changeit.app › blog › 2021-03-26-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries </nowiki>
changeit.app › blog › 2021-03-26-environmental-impact-of-lithium-batteries </nowiki>
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|<nowiki>coal.ghg_by_energy</nowiki>
|<nowiki>95.35 kg / million btu</nowiki>
|<nowiki>CO2 emissions of burning coal</nowiki>
|<nowiki>https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/co2_vol_mass.php</nowiki>
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|<nowiki>CO2 emissions of burning gasoline</nowiki>
|<nowiki>CO2 emissions of burning gasoline</nowiki>
|<nowiki>https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/co2_vol_mass.php</nowiki>
|<nowiki>https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/co2_vol_mass.php</nowiki>
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|<nowiki>usa.natural_gas.fugitive_ghg</nowiki>
|<nowiki>176.1 million tonnes / year</nowiki>
|<nowiki>Greenhouse gas CO2eq of fugitive methane leaks from all natural gas infrastructure in the USA</nowiki>
|<nowiki>Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-2014</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/inventory-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-and-sinks-1990-2014</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
2016 Complete Report (PDF)</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
Using data from 2014</nowiki>
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|<nowiki>usa.natural_gas.energy</nowiki>
|<nowiki>27.9 quadrillion btu / year</nowiki>
|<nowiki>U.S. energy consumption from natural gas combustion only</nowiki>
|<nowiki>Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
Inventory of U.S. Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-2014</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/inventory-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-and-sinks-1990-2014</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
2016 Complete Report (PDF)</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
Datapoint was found on page 115, from pie chart and line graph, using data from 2014</nowiki>
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|<nowiki>natural_gas.fugitive_ghg_by_energy</nowiki>
|<nowiki>usa.natural_gas.fugitive_ghg / usa.natural_gas.energy</nowiki>
|<nowiki>Fugitive emissions (CO2eq) of natural gas, per unit energy</nowiki>
|<nowiki>Average based on US datapoints.</nowiki>
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|<nowiki>natural_gas.ghg_by_energy</nowiki>
|<nowiki>53.07 kg / million btu</nowiki>
|<nowiki>CO2 emissions of burning natural gas</nowiki>
|<nowiki>Does not include the fugitive methane emissions from unburned fuel. Those vary by how the gas is burned.</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
</nowiki><br /><nowiki>
https://www.eia.gov/environment/emissions/co2_vol_mass.php</nowiki>
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''Now compare for the gasoline a non-electric car would burn, on average:''
''Now compare for the gasoline a non-electric car would burn, on average:''
{{calc
{{calc
|average_us_vehicle.mileage_by_time * gasoline.ghg_by_energy / car.fuel_economy
|gasoline.ghg_by_energy * average_us_vehicle.mileage_by_time / car.fuel_economy
|tonnes / year
|tonnes / year
|gasoline_ghg
|gasoline_ghg
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''Now, for coal power plants charging EVs, same amount of driving:''
''Now, for coal power plants charging EVs, same amount of driving:''
{{calc
{{calc
|average_us_vehicle.mileage_by_time * gasoline.ghg_by_energy / fuel_economy_if_coal
|coal.ghg_by_energy * average_us_vehicle.mileage_by_time / fuel_economy_if_coal
|tonnes / year
|tonnes / year
|coal_ghg
|coal_ghg
|
|Imprecision note: {{x|This currently uses <tt>gasoline.ghg_by_energy</tt> when it should use <tt>coal.ghg_by_energy</tt>. The differences are minor though.}}
}}
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''Now, for advanced natural gas power plants charging EVs, same amount of driving:''
''Now, for advanced natural gas power plants charging EVs, same amount of driving:''
{{calc
{{calc
|average_us_vehicle.mileage_by_time * gasoline.ghg_by_energy / fuel_economy_if_advanced_natural_gas
|(natural_gas.ghg_by_energy + natural_gas.fugitive_ghg_by_energy) * average_us_vehicle.mileage_by_time / fuel_economy_if_advanced_natural_gas
|tonnes / year
|tonnes / year
|advanced_natural_gas_ghg
|advanced_natural_gas_ghg
|
|Imprecision note: {{x|This currently uses <tt>gasoline.ghg_by_energy</tt> when it should use <tt>(natural_gas.ghg_by_energy + natural_gas.fugitive_ghg_by_energy)</tt>. The differences are minor though.}}
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Thus, emissions are about the same for coal as gasoline-powered cars. Emissions are only a bit better for ''advanced'' natural gas power plants. Also this doesn't count the other environmental impacts {{light|(non-CO<sub>2</sub>)}} of mining lithium & cobalt.
Thus, with coal power, emissions are worse than driving a gasoline-powered car. But for ''advanced'' natural gas power plants, emissions are about half. In either case, this doesn't count the other environmental impacts {{light|(non-CO<sub>2</sub>)}} of mining lithium & cobalt.


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