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Plant-based food could mean many things. There are countless dietary choices that could be healthy, unhealthy, cheap, expensive, low-calorie, high-calorie, low-protein, high-protein, etc.


This page is about ways to eat well with at least 95% of protein/calories coming from plants.

Balanced diets

Despite a lot of misinformation out there, It is possible to meet 100% of your nutritional needs with just plants(...)( meaning: without relying on animal products. These plant-based diets still do include low-cost supplements ). It also doesn't have to be expensive.


To eat more healthy and more cheaply than most people do, Use these principles as a guide:

  • Get most of your protein from dried peas, lentils, and beans.
    • Use these to make soups - eat soup with every meal.
  • Get most of your calories from basically anything you want.
    • Cheapest options include grains(...)( i.e. rice, pasta, oats, cornmeal etc ), potatoes, oils, any baked goods (even sweets). [Note about carbs]~ For most people, carbohydrate-rich foods should be okay as long as you exercise and include all the nutritious foods in these guidelines.

      ~ When in doubt, choose whole grains.

      ~ Not suited for people with diabetes.
    • Even junk food is also okay, surprisingly. The overall diet will still be healthy, if you eat the soups and take the multivitamin.
  • Other useful foods include sunflower seeds, peanut butter - these have both protein and calories.
  • Include root vegetables such as carrots, onions, beets and garlic - whichever are cheap. They can be added to the soups.
  • Buy fresh fruits occasionally, when they go on sale.
    • This diet doesn't rely on them for vitamins - but over-ripe fruits have a probiotic effect which can greatly improve digestion.
  • Take a daily multivitamin.
    • This is essential for any diet that doesn't include massive amounts of expensive fresh fruits & vegetables.
    • The human body needs over 30 different nutrients; most people are lacking in at least a few.
    • Vegan or not, most people could benefit from a cheap(...)( typically amounts to about 15 cents per day )multivitamin. You will likely feel a difference.


If this doesn't seem balanced on first glance, see some of the examples below - it is.

  • Note: These examples may not be perfect, but they are far more balanced than a typical diet in most countries.
  • Note: You can also play around with the nutrition calculator to analyze your own options.

Nutrition examples

cheap home cooking

A balanced diet with beans, root vegetables, and other ordinary foods.

See in nutrition calculator

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Notes:

  • This analysis shows the raw ingredients. Cooking instructions / recipes will be added to this wiki soon. In general, when you boil any food, do not drain the water; keep it for the soup. You don't want to lose some of the minerals (nutrients) (...)( relevant info: Heat doesn't destroy minerals(...)( scientific reason: the minerals are elements (on the periodic table); the vitamins are molecules that can break down at high temperatures ), but it does destroy some vitamins. The multivitamin fully compensates for this: Most multivitamin tablets have 100% the recommended daily intake of all B vitamins and vitamin C, which are the ones that can be lost in cooking. ).
  • Calcium is supplemented (typically costs about 10 cents per day), because the cheap foods aren't naturally high in calcium.

junk food method

Yes, it is possible to construct healthy diets with junkfood, in some cases.

See in nutrition calculator

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Notes:

  • Even if the cookies have small amounts of dairy etc., the vast majority of calories & protein are still coming from plants.
  • Calcium is supplemented (typically costs about 10 cents per day), because the cheap foods aren't naturally high in calcium.

low carb

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expensive cliché vegan diet

Not an example of the principles above. This tab is included for comparison.

This vegan diet is still nutritionally balanced but far more expensive.

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global food supply

This tab is for research purposes.

Suppose the world went vegan but all the same food crops are grown(...)( albeit in smaller quantities, since everything is more efficient when you don't have animal factory farms and feedlots ). In other words, crops get used for making food directly, instead of animal feed.

This tab shows how a balanced diet would work. A multivitamin is once again essential.

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Notes:

  • Farmers could grow other crops instead.
    • See the next tab for an extreme example.
  • This analysis shows just the raw ingredients. Recipes can be added to this wiki.
    • Recipe ideas:
      • Corn muffins: using corn flour, wheat flour, sugars, soy, etc.
      • Soy milk: The soybeans are cooked, pureed and filtered. The solid parts (filtered out) are used in the muffins.

extreme amounts of vegetables

This tab is for research purposes.

This theoretical diet comes from research on crop choices. If farmers around the world grew only the highest-yielding crops of their local regions, the global food supply would look like this! Calories & protein come from the sheer volume of vegetables grown, mostly. For people to be able to eat that many vegetables, most of it would have to be powderized and used as flour. There would still be some fresh produce, of course.

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Notes:

  • This diet appears to work without a multivitamin. But since most of the vegetables would be powderized, then some nutrients would be lost. A multivitamin would still be needed to make up for this.

typical western diet

Not an example of the principles above. This tab is included for comparison.

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Rationale

Plant-based diets are beneficial for a few reasons:

  • Humanitarian & environmental:
  • Animal ethics:
    • Factory farms (where animals are treated very badly) meet most of the world's demand for meat, milk and eggs. Less-cruel farming practices exist, but are less productive. To get rid of factory farms, we're going to have to consume fewer animal products. (...)( And maybe lab-grown meat could change this one day, but it's not scalable enough yet. )

In summary

If people ate fewer animal products(...)( this does not require 100% veganism, but let's just say if people ate just 1/3 of the meat they currently eat (the biggest reductions would be in developed countries, because that's where most meat is currently consumed) ),

  • Deforestation could finally be stopped, and
  • Massive amounts of farm land could be rewilded, and
  • Even with less crop production, there'd be more than enough surplus food to end global hunger, and
  • Factory farms could be abolished.


With all of this, it also helps to reduce food waste (the gap between production and consumption) (...)( Part of this involves personal choices. Part of this involves systemic changes, especially with regards to farm subsidies ).

FAQ

Veganism is a heated topic. This section can hopefully clear up some misconceptions on both sides of the debate. If you want to add more Q&A to this section, please join the discussion.


I thought vegan diets were expensive! You're saying they're cheap?
There are cheap ways to be vegan, and there are expensive ways to be vegan. A healthy balanced diet is possible in both cases. See above for examples.


Don't vegans eat mostly salad and greens with little protein & calories?
Not necessarily. See examples above.


Does eating this many beans make you fart all the time?
Not if the beans are cooked well enough. Gas might also be a sign that your gut needs more variety of bacteria to digest the variety of plants you eat. Include more probiotic foods such as over-ripe fruits or saurkraut. It may help to eat them towards the end of the meal.


Aren't plant proteins less digestible?
Not if they're cooked/blended properly and you have good gut flora. [new page needed]


Aren't chickens needed on farms to control pests by eating the bugs that infest crops?
Sometimes yes. However, this alone wouldn't even come close to producing as much chicken as people eat.


What about fertilizer? Don't we need animals to fertilize the soil by pooping?
Animals don't add minerals to the overall system. They can only poop out whatever minerals were already there in the soil/plants. Also, mass production of meat/dairy/eggs requires more crops, which just increases the need for fertilizer even more.


Q: What to do with all the animals if everyone goes vegan?

A:

  • Option 1: Keep them until they die of old age.
  • Option 2: Keep slaughtering them at the same rate they currently are.
  • In either case, the farmers stop breeding more animals(...)( except to maintain the species by keeping around ~0.1% of their population(...)( maybe that's more in the realm of scientists, conservationists, zookeepers etc. - but no matter who does it, it's viable ) ).
  • In either case, people would still eat meat for another year or so, after pledging to go vegan.
  • Maybe the "pledge" part is weird and hypothetical, but so is the idea of everyone going vegan tomorrow.
  • If everyone gradually(...)( as in, people slowly phase out meat in their diets - or people go "cold turkey" vegan but each starting from a different day - or anything in between: there wouldn't need to be a whole lot of coordination between people necessarily; just a general trend of being more plant-based )went vegan, there'd be no "shock in demand"(...)( as economists would say ), and thus no "what do we do with the animals". Farmers already control how many animals are bred. They would just breed fewer of them.