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* Homes could be heated with hydrogen gas instead of natural gas. | * Homes could be heated with hydrogen gas instead of natural gas. | ||
* Gas-powered stoves could easily be adapted to burn hydrogen. | * Gas-powered stoves could easily be adapted to burn hydrogen. | ||
===Lithium-ion batteries=== | ===Lithium-ion batteries=== | ||
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** This battery is '''not''' suited for electric vehicles. | ** This battery is '''not''' suited for electric vehicles. | ||
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|85 billion tonnes | |||
|Global iron reserves - iron metal recoverable | |||
|Source: Global iron ore reserves 2010-2021 - Statista | |||
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|85 watt hours per kg | |||
|Specific energy of an iron redox flow battery | |||
|Using half the "theoretical specific energy" of 170 watt hours per kg. This battery hasn't really been commercialized yet, so it's safe to assume that we won't be close to the theoretical maximum in the near future. | |||
<br /><br />Source: https://dornsife.usc.edu/labs/narayan/all-iron-redox-flow-battery/ | |||
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|other_energy_storage_needed / irfb.energy_by_mass | |||
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===Lead-acid batteries=== | |||
Besides being toxic, there wouldn't be enough lead to scale these up: | |||
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|90 million tonnes | |||
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|Global lead reserves 2010-2021 - Statista | |||
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|38 watt hours per kg | |||
|Specific energy of a lead-acid battery | |||
|Source: Lead-acid battery - Wikipedia | |||
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|60% | |||
|How much of a lead-acid battery is lead, by mass | |||
|Source: Lead-acid battery - Wikipedia | |||
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|other_energy_storage_needed * lead_acid.lead / lead_acid.energy_by_mass | |||
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The only advantage is that some people already have a few lead-acid car batteries they could use in some DIY home energy storage solution. | |||
===Flywheels=== | ===Flywheels=== | ||
[[Flywheels]] store energy mechanically by spinning a heavy rotor at high speeds. This has been implemented before, both inside vehicles {{x|but not necessarily storing enough energy to power the vehicle for more than a few kilometers at best}} ''and'' in stationary electrical systems {{x|with a much higher specific energy}}. | [[Flywheels]] store energy mechanically by spinning a heavy rotor at high speeds. This has been implemented before, both inside vehicles {{x|but not necessarily storing enough energy to power the vehicle for more than a few kilometers at best}} ''and'' in stationary electrical systems {{x|with a much higher specific energy}}. | ||
If flywheels are made mostly of [[steel]] (which is mostly iron | If flywheels are made mostly of [[steel]] (which is mostly iron), we ''would'' have enough metal to build enough of them: | ||
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Revision as of 00:12, 4 November 2022
In the pursuit of green energy, storage is needed for 2 reasons:
- To smooth out the intermittency of solar and wind power.
- To store energy in electric vehicles without gasoline or diesel.
How much would be needed?
Vehicles
https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/useable-battery-capacity-electric-car
https://hedgescompany.com/blog/2021/06/how-many-cars-are-there-in-the-world/
^ This could be reduced by (calculation loading)walkability and public transit (specifically trains).
Other
We subtract transport because it was already dealt with above. We subtract industrial because - in principle, most factories/industry could just run during peak sunlight/wind, needing negligable energy storage.
^ This could be reduced by alternative heating/cooling systems for homes/buildings. (calculation loading)
There are more options for this type of energy storage, because it's stationary (not moving in a vehicle).
How much storage is this really?
Most people aren't familiar with terajoules. Let's express it instead in terms of "gallons of gasoline equivalent energy" per person.
(calculation loading)
This much energy has to be stored in some other way (not gasoline).
Types
Hydrogen gas
Hydrogen gas does not occur in nature, but can be generated using green energy (by electrolysis).
Vehicles
Car engines can viably be built to burn hydrogen gas instead of gasoline. However, this isn't as efficient as building an electric car powered by hydrogen fuel cells (which use chemistry to convert the hydrogen energy back to electricity, which powers electric motors that run the car).
But even hydrogen fuel cells might not be quite efficient enough:
www.carboncommentary.com › blog › hydrogen-made-by-the-electrolysis...
www.californiahydrogen.org › uploads › files › doe_fuelcell_factsheet
This is only half the charge-discharge efficiency of lithium-ion batteries. (calculation loading)
Hydrogen fuel cells contain rare minerals.[QUANTIFICATION needed]
Hydrogen gas requires a pressurized fuel tank, which is significantly heavier than a gasoline tank[QUANTIFICATION needed] but probably not as heavy as a lithium-ion battery pack, for the same amount of energy. Safety concerns are similar to other pressurized fuels such as natural gas or propane.
Heating and cooking
- Homes could be heated with hydrogen gas instead of natural gas.
- Gas-powered stoves could easily be adapted to burn hydrogen.
Lithium-ion batteries
Lithium-ion batteries are the current standard for electric cars and most small gadgets (phones, laptops, etc).
Is there enough lithium?
https://www.fluxpower.com/blog/what-is-the-energy-density-of-a-lithium-ion-battery
It's 3.6 volts for the "cobalt type" of lithium-ion battery. Other types might have a very slightly different voltage.
The article says lithium per amp hour. We convert this to lithium per watt hour (energy), by including the cell voltage.
Added up all the countries: 9,200,000 + 4,700,000 + 1,900,000 + 1,500,000 + 750,000 + 220,000 + 95,000 + 60,000 = 18,425,000 metric tons
(calculation loading) (calculation loading)
Just barely. How about cobalt? (calculation loading) (calculation loading)
Not viable.
Solutions:
- Using some other version of lithium-ion batteries, which doesn't depend so much on cobalt.
- Marketing cheaper electric vehicles with much smaller battery capacity, for city driving only.
- Walkability.
- Extracting lithium from seawater (the viability of this may be questionable).
Other important stats:
from wikipedia; haven't found original source yet
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Iron-redox flow batteries
Iron-redox flow batteries are a type of battery made from mostly iron, an extremely abundant metal.
But this battery comes with a few challanges:
- The iron has to be kept molten at very hot temperatures.
- Hence it's only viable to build a battery the size of a shipping container, not smaller.
- This battery is not suited for electric vehicles.
There would be enough iron:
Source: https://dornsife.usc.edu/labs/narayan/all-iron-redox-flow-battery/
(calculation loading)
Lead-acid batteries
Besides being toxic, there wouldn't be enough lead to scale these up:
(calculation loading)
The only advantage is that some people already have a few lead-acid car batteries they could use in some DIY home energy storage solution.
Flywheels
Flywheels store energy mechanically by spinning a heavy rotor at high speeds. This has been implemented before, both inside vehicles
If flywheels are made mostly of steel (which is mostly iron), we would have enough metal to build enough of them:
(calculation loading) (calculation loading)
However, it is unknown how much of other metals might be needed to make the flywheel systems - for example the rare earth magnets involved in the motor/generator components. This page needs more research.
How much energy would it take to refine all that steel?
However, the energy needed to manufacture the flywheels from the steel, might be vastly more. This page needs more research. (calculation loading)
Viability of flywheels in vehicles is unknown too. Flywheel-based vehicles have existed for over a century, but they don't store enough energy to last more than a kilometer. Perhaps vacuum-sealed electrical type of flywheel could store more energy